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Read the community guidelines1. Effectively lowers workplace standards
2. When you leave, you’ll feel the爽快感 of being liberated after long-term PUA
3. Underreporting wages can help you pay less in taxes
4. Occasional physical labor can strengthen your body
5. Even non-sales staff can share the pressure of meeting performance targets
6. An immersive experience of rude-customer culture taking place in the workplace
7. You can gain repeated experience executing projects that are essentially similar over and over
8. Body, mind, and spirit can empathize with the boss and the boss’s wife’s rich emotions and impassioned remarks
9. You’ll develop strong adaptability to deal with opaque instructions that are constantly changing
10. You can learn how to squeeze seemingly impossible performance targets out of minimal resources
At this company,
those who follow the boss prosper, and those who oppose the boss perish.
Here is a condensed version of the
<Recorded-Clear Survival Guide>
● The two kinds of people the boss likes
1. People willing to voice innovative ideas (commonly known as painting big pies)
2. People who are obedient, willing to work, and able to consistently deliver results (commonly known as wage slaves)
● The two kinds of people the boss dislikes
1. People whose loyalty and drive cannot be seen (even if you’re acting, you have to act convincingly and completely)
2. People who understand the Labor Standards Act and bravely defend their rights (unfriendly to experienced workplace veterans)
You can see an empty set:
【People who have the ability to put innovation into practice but must not know too much about the Labor Standards Act】
High-value employees may also be workplace newcomers,
but this market is too competitive and complicated,
so the chance of finding a gem is infinitesimal.
【Therefore, employees are treated like disposable chopsticks and replaced frantically】
It would rather leave positions vacant and make other employees shoulder the responsibility
than pay someone it dislikes.
Those strong enough to meet the requirements
basically would not need to endure humiliation here,
“kneeling” to sniff the “big pies” that are both fragrant and sweet.
So why are the company’s old-timers still able to survive?
They need to meet at least one of the following conditions:
1. Speak one way to people and another way to ghosts; just perform whatever the boss likes to see.
2. It is enough for your work ability to be passing; at the very least, when performance is poor, you need to be able to give an account and shift the blame.
3. You must be able to proactively propose new ideas. Even if they are commonplace, as long as you package them as a new business model that appears profitable, they are all good ideas.
4. Be extremely obedient and willing to defend everything for the employer’s interests, even if it means distorting your own values.
But in fact, many vested-interest holders
have also fled
because of even more complicated internal factors.
There is another special situation.
When you are a newcomer,
you have an unlimited newcomer halo.
As long as you dare to speak up,
as long as you dare to propose ideas (even commonplace ones),
the company basically accepts them all.
But once something does not suit the boss’s taste,
once you are labeled, you are not far from the blacklist.
It is rare to see a company on Tianyancha
where so many employees are willing to reveal the true inside story.
If you see a few rare positive comments and rebuttals,
they are all deliberate whitewashing.
To this company,
employees are liabilities.
Paying employees’ salaries makes it act as though it is the lord and master.
It requires employees to do 【a great deal of additional physical labor】
(moving goods in the warehouse, carrying bricks at construction sites, all kinds of odd jobs)
and has never offered even a word of thanks or tangible compensation.
Employee benefits are an even bigger joke.
Bonuses and year-end payments
are all big pies—don’t trust them too much.
If you are unfortunate enough to come in and experience
a company that merely meets the legal minimum standards,
if you want to escape and leave,
it is best to be cautious.
Avoid being sued by the company :)
💼 The Delicate Art of Workplace Survival 💼
🌡️ About the Air-Conditioning Battle
“26 degrees is a matter of faith; turning off the AC is a spiritual practice”—
Do adults still need to discuss when to turn the air conditioning on and off??
Why don’t you go discuss it with your parents?
👔 The Boss’s Gap-Moe Charm
When scolding people, he’s like a breakwater that came to life;
when giving raises, he’s like Santa Claus who got lost—
“Redo that proposal!” (The next day) “…Actually, that idea you mentioned yesterday wasn’t bad.”
🔊 The Metaphysics of Construction-Site BGM
Which is louder: pile driving or keyboard clatter?
When a coworker’s mechanical keyboard encounters the impact drill next door—
“It’s a free white-noise office experiment!”
(No one mentions the freedom to play music publicly in the office.)
🍵 The Anthropology of Invisible Perks
Drinks and snacks that disappear from the break room,
the coffee machine that no one ever uses,
toilet paper that causes arguments when there’s more than enough…
——The most mysterious thing is that these urban legends
have somehow lasted for thirty years?
🤹♂️ The Ultimate Truth
There’s no utopia, but there is:
A paycheck that arrives on time
A human boss who apologizes after chewing you out (not a monster)
Coworkers who cover for you when you slack off
The weather is so hot QQ
The company provides newly built employee dormitories, which saves quite a bit of the hassle of renting O(∩_∩)O. However, the prerequisite is that you like living near the company! The surrounding area is all automotive-related businesses, so there are fewer food options, but the environment is quite quiet and suitable for people who enjoy a simple lifestyle. The company atmosphere is very “family-oriented”; it’s a nine-to-six schedule with no overtime, suitable for people who like a stable life. Most employees are married.
A small complaint: the boss has been in the industry for more than thirty years, and the style of older people in traditional industries is to “take care of employees like children.” The air conditioning isn’t turned on until 9:30 in the morning because they’re worried that everyone will catch a cold from the air conditioning after sweating while riding their scooters. Although sometimes you’re drenched in sweat and still have to wait a few minutes, this “thoughtfulness” really leaves you both amused and exasperated.
The boss’s friends and family also work at the company, so occasionally it feels like a “family meeting.” The personnel situation is somewhat delicate, but the pay is a little better than in the same industry, and the working hours are regular. As a former HR employee, I returned to southern Taiwan for family reasons; otherwise, I might have continued working there.
The only thing that gives me a headache is the common HR problem: the sales staff turnover is too high~~~ I’m currently looking for a job and hope I won’t have to be troubled by recruiting salespeople again in the future!
1. You can get to know 30–50 people without having to stay at the company for very long, but the number of employees will always remain around 20. The person who trains you when you first join this company might be magically disappeared by next week. Many people will suddenly disappear, but many newcomers will also arrive. You’ll find out after being here for just a little while whether everyone might be magically disappeared.
2. They love polar bears and are environmental ambassadors fighting global warming. They absolutely never waste anything: during the hot month of June, you work 8+1=9 hours, and the air conditioning can be turned on for 6 hours. It cannot be turned on for the other three hours—even if the air is stifling, you are dizzy from the heat, and the sweat is overwhelming, you have to endure it for the sake of the polar bears. If you forget to turn off the air conditioning, the Empress Dowager will be very angry and loudly berate everyone. Her voice is so loud that I truly understand she is sincere about the polar bears; she can endure anything for the planet.
3. Live out your dream of becoming a star. The senior big shots are extremely enthusiastic about supporting the Emperor’s livestreams and can be called his most loyal viewers. Every time he goes live, as many as 10 people watch, with 5 regular viewers always being the loyal senior big shots. You could say they are extremely devoted to the company.
From time to time, they invite frontline employees to livestream together. At first, this was even personally selected by the Emperor and could not be refused. You don’t want to be a big star? But the company thinks you have great potential, so you have to become one.
The Emperor will even make some dirty jokes during joint livestreams. It really is like playing a big star acting in My Fair Princess.
4. The fantasy of an overbearing CEO is here too. I’ve seen one or two employees forcibly transferred to other departments. One colleague was even transferred between four departments. Transferring departments will absolutely not lower your salary. This company claims externally that “we won’t do anything illegal,” but they will merely give you one or two major additional tasks. They won’t put pressure on you, and at the same time they don’t care about your wishes. The company is very considerate of its employees, saying: “You need the money anyway, right?” It is absolutely not because they dislike you, think you are easy to bully, or think your salary is too high and you have too much free time—it is all for your own good.
If you refuse the department transfer, what will the overbearing CEO do? They certainly won’t fire you; they will just make your life miserable.
5. Don’t want to be an overbearing CEO or a star? You can also experience a very special profession here: being a foreman. This company is very ambitious—they bought the land and built the place themselves, starting from scratch, which is truly admirable. They were so eager that they moved employees into the new building halfway through construction. After moving in, every day at work you get to enjoy the wonderful sound of construction-site hammering, elevating the quality of your workday. Halfway through work, you may suddenly be called away. Ah, it turns out the company also offers work experiences outside your original profession. If they happen to be short-staffed, everyone can become a foreman together, moving bricks and hauling rebar and cement. It can truly be called a very fulfilling training camp!
6. They absolutely do not do anything illegal—that is, your salary meets the minimum wage, and you are paid exactly the minimum wage. The rest of the money is counted as a bonus and paid in cash! If you like this way of saving on labor and health insurance costs, this place is perfect for you!
7. An extremely innovative company: action-oriented, with many things not yet ready and some problems still unresolved, yet very eager to launch and go public. I haven’t encountered many companies with such innovation and ability to put things into practice. It was supposed to launch last August, and it launched this March. It was supposed to launch this May, and it still hadn’t launched by August. Execution is absolutely unparalleled!
8. Excellent emotional management. Compared with a Chihuahua, their temper should be considered pretty good—I’ve never raised a dog, so I’m not sure. They only yell and scream very occasionally, really. Anyway, you have to be loud to win in the first place. The louder and fiercer your voice, the more suitable this workplace environment is for you!
#A perfect company, highly recommended
#If you like meeting tons of new coworkers but can’t remember their names, come here
#If you don’t like air conditioning and want to protect polar bears, come here
#If you dream of becoming a star and want to edit the livestream content yourself, come here
#If you like having the overbearing CEO transfer you between departments at will and add a few major tasks, come here
#If you want to experience being a foreman and moving bricks, come quickly while construction is still underway—you might still get the chance
#High salary reported low to help you save money—come here
#If you like action-oriented people who change orders from morning to night, come here
#If you also like yelling and screaming, come compare who is better at going crazy and shouting
#If you like eating big, round promises, this place comes recommended
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1. The relationships between colleagues are extremely good because everyone has a common enemy.
2. You can get to know two new colleagues on average every month, making it a great place to expand your network.
3. The company’s athletic prowess is highly developed, so you can meet several soccer-playing champions who are good at passing the ball.
4. There are often stockouts during key sales periods—things simply sell too well the rest of the time. You could call it the leader of the 3C product industry.
5. You can learn about the work of different departments and positions. In particular, when colleagues find better career opportunities, your chance arrives! It’s time to train yourself to become an all-around employee. Occasionally, you can even practice your carrying skills, which helps strengthen your body, so you no longer need to spend money and time going to the gym.
6. After completing the three-month probationary period and becoming a regular employee, your base salary generally will not be specifically reduced. When you ask your supervisor about the promotion and salary adjustment system, they will motivate you to be full of fighting spirit and make you want to work harder toward your goals. All I can say is, the pie the boss has planned here sure smells delicious!
7. You can receive your salary twice every month, which is enough to make you cry with happiness. If you’re in sales, you can receive one additional bonus payment. As for the year-end bonus, it depends on whether you show a serious and hardworking side in front of the boss; otherwise, you may simply be treated as a salary thief who does nothing all day.
There’s nothing to criticize.
1. The job responsibilities match the position discussed in the interview.
2. The colleagues are friendly and easy to get along with.
1. The salary calculation method is extremely unusual, and the amount paid is sometimes short. There is also no pay stub or salary breakdown. (When I asked accounting, they told me to ask the owner's wife.)
2. Being late means immediately losing NT$1,500 from the base salary, and NT$1,500 is deducted in advance whenever you take leave.
3. I was promised a salary increase after the probationary period. I went through two supervisors, and both told me this in person. However, my probationary period was longer than other employees'—and ultimately, I did not receive a salary increase either. (Dishonest.)
4. The owner talks all day about disbanding the OO and XX departments, saying that the employees do not do anything. (It is extremely infuriating to hear.)
Overall, the biggest villains at this company are the owner and the owner's wife. They keep establishing harsh rules that disadvantage employees, and they are also dishonest, always afraid of losing out themselves. All I can say is: to the employees who come to this company and devote their expertise, thank you for your hard work. You are all angels for enduring the unreasonable treatment described above.
I urge anyone considering working at this company to think carefully after reading this post!
This is a company that underreports high salaries.
Pros: Pay less in labor and health insurance premiums
Some companies, in order to save on labor costs, "underreport" their employees' insured salaries for labor insurance. Although this allows both employers and employees to pay slightly less in labor insurance premiums, in practice it can easily leave workers worse off, sacrificing the benefits they should be entitled to when applying for maternity, injury, illness, and other benefits.
This trend cannot be stopped; applicants, choose carefully.
As for the advantages, the matter of “clocking out after work” can be divided into three major groups:
If you are in the 【Sales Team】 and need to travel outside to visit vendors, clients, auto shop owners, and so on, as long as your performance this month is not too poor, even if you are taking it easy or slacking off outside, you are unlikely to be discovered, and you can still leave work on time;
If you are in the 【Internal Team】, you can usually leave work on time. Unless you feel guilty because you know you have not been very serious at work, you are unlikely to be scrutinized over whether you are leaving work “too punctually”;
But if you are part of the company’s 【Inner Circle】 (the boss’s trusted confidants or the boss’s prospective son-in-law), then as long as you are good enough at playing dumb and thick-skinned enough, even if something really goes wrong, the fire will not burn you. Let alone something as trivial as “leaving work on time”—of course they can, if they want to!
Regarding “interview experiences,” based on the many employees I have seen come and go at this company, whether for ordinary staff positions or managerial roles, it is quite easy to get hired. The company is always short-staffed because it can never retain people. As long as you dare to paint a rosy picture during the interview and boast about how capable and experienced you are, the people inside the company are quite easy to fool. However, I believe that after reading my description of the disadvantages, you will not want to apply.
The disadvantages are practically endless. Here are several key points:
1. Boss / Boss’s Wife (Company Owners)
When it comes to work, the things that most directly affect whether you will continue staying, apart from your salary, are the company’s future prospects. Unfortunately, unless you can privately exploit loopholes in the company’s vague rules to earn bonuses without the boss finding out, or secretly cooperate with platform PMs you have a good relationship with so that the platform takes a higher percentage and boosts your performance (even though the company does not actually make money), the chances of receiving a high salary here are extremely slim. Senior management will not proactively give you a raise just because you have contributed to the company;
On the contrary, the company owner will even establish rules to dock your pay, such as the labor-law-violating game where “being one second late means forfeiting the entire NT$1,500 attendance bonus.” Note that here, “perfect attendance” is included within your “base salary,” rather than being added on top of it (I know very few companies on the market are conscientious enough to provide an additional attendance bonus, but at least they usually offer some leeway. Here, being one second late means it is gone. Also, just because other companies are terrible does not mean this company has an excuse to be terrible too—don’t learn the bad things from others). Or, for no apparent reason, your supervisor may tell you, “The boss’s wife calculated your salary incorrectly last month, so NT$1,000 of your salary will be taken back this month.” When you ask your supervisor about it, they cannot even say which part of your salary the boss’s wife is deducting, and then tell you, “After the boss’s wife returns to Taiwan next month, she will give you the salary statement she calculated.” Punishments always come far more quickly than rewards, and things like this are extremely common at this company.
As for year-end bonuses, do not expect to receive a transparent, publicly disclosed calculation method here. They are determined entirely by the “impression score” you have earned with the boss and the boss’s wife. Although there is supposedly an evaluation component, this “evaluation” basically just means “whether they like you.” To make them “like you,” you may not need to be very “talented,” but you definitely need to be very “obedient” and avoid giving them any opportunity to think that you are an employee who will “fight the company for your rights.” That gives you a good chance of rising, which in turn affects your year-end bonus. Consider this: a boss who says the company is not making money, while changing to luxury cars, spending over NT$100,000 on laser eye surgery, and using money to build a new company headquarters—where is their money coming from?
The company once had a warehouse auntie who had worked there for more than ten years. She did occasionally make mistakes at work, but she was kind to others. After the bosses finally lost patience with her, they fired her, but were only willing to pay this auntie three months’ salary (at most NT$80,000; under a normal severance-pay calculation, the company would roughly have had to pay at least NT$180,000). They also required her to sign a “voluntary resignation letter” and hoped she would not report them, because “the company would receive demerits from the government.” Since the auntie did not want to cause a dispute, she did not tell her family and silently endured it. If this auntie were your mother, you can imagine how heartbreaking it would be.
2. Supervisors (Company Leadership)
This company has a great many supervisors—almost more supervisors than team members—and practically anyone, regardless of qualifications, can become a supervisor. Here is one particularly outrageous example.
This company has never liked employees having ideas of their own. You may have ideas about marketing, design, or online sales, but the company has zero tolerance for subordinates who develop “an awareness of their basic rights”; it views you as a source of trouble who is “inciting other colleagues.” Once, a colleague proactively informed the company that someone in their household had undergone a nucleic acid (PCR) test because they were worried about a possible health issue. The colleague first took one day of leave, and after it was confirmed that the family member was negative, they wanted to return to work the next day but were stopped. The conversation also revealed that the company was unwilling to pay the daily wage, which clearly violated labor law. Although the supervisor responsible for communication knew the company was in the wrong, they still conveyed the message forcefully. When the colleague told them, “This violates labor-law regulations,” they were mocked as an “employee showing off legal provisions,” behaving with the childishness of elementary schoolchildren fighting and telling the other person not to tell the teacher. Although the employee was eventually allowed to work from home with pay, after working for less than half a day, they were told that the company was laying them off because of “poor operating conditions.” Absolutely reprehensible.
Supervisors should serve as the hub connecting upper and lower levels, but most supervisors at this company are accustomed to being afraid of trouble and rigid. Even though they complain constantly in private, they still pretend to be deaf and mute in front of the boss. Once, an employee informed their direct supervisor about things they had observed in the company that could be improved. The next day, a long message from the boss immediately appeared in the company group chat, saying that “the company’s unhealthy practices need to be improved, and certain employees need to reflect on themselves.” The timing was too coincidental not to make people wonder whether the supervisor had sold out that employee.
3. Additional Points
The company’s habit of changing policies from morning to evening has become nothing unusual. Instead, occasional displays of correct values will leave you stunned. Moreover, most vendors that have worked with the company will cooperate with it only once more. Perhaps this is because of unstable quality, a high product failure rate, or the company’s poor reputation outside. People in the industry also often say that the company’s boss is very lucky; this compliment is highly ironic in this context.
The company’s boss is not someone who welcomes opinions. Once, an employee merely mentioned how far a competitor’s features had advanced and gave this feedback to the boss. All they received was the cold reply, “If you like that company better, you can go there.” How, then, is the company supposed to improve?
Conclusion: I hope that, after reading the points above, you will have a better understanding of this company and of the mental resilience you need before joining, as well as the kinds of people and work environment you will face. Let us encourage one another.
I really can’t think of any.
1. Dismissed an employee who had worked there for ten years without providing a “certificate of involuntary termination,” offering only three months’ salary instead of following the Labor Standards Act procedures (the severance pay calculated under the Labor Standards Act would have been approximately NT$252,000). The employee not only failed to receive severance pay but was also unable to claim nine months of unemployment benefits.
2. During the Level 3 epidemic alert from 2020 to 2021, an employee needed to care for young children and applied for epidemic-prevention caregiving leave. The company initially refused to approve the leave, then said the employee could only work remotely from home without pay. Absolutely reprehensible.
Because a household member’s rapid-test result had not yet been issued, the employee, acting out of goodwill, informed the company that they would not enter the office that day and would return to work normally once the family member was confirmed negative. Although the rapid-test result was negative, the company still would not allow the employee to return to work, and then maliciously dismissed the employee that afternoon.
3. The company’s work environment is genuinely poor. It is an old townhouse, not a proper office, and its fire-safety equipment is incomplete, showing disregard for employees’ lives.
4. The boss keeps replacing one car with another, and the boss’s wife even has money for laser eye surgery, yet they said the company had no money to pay year-end bonuses. They even had the nerve to tell everyone that they could make money at the company and that the company would not be stingy!
They gave out one red envelope for Lunar New Year (less than half a month’s salary). An employee who had worked there for five years even received NT$4,000 less in 2021 than in 2020. Does it decrease year after year? How can anyone build a long-term career there?
5. Last year, in 2021, the company experienced a cash-flow shortage and delayed salary payments because it did not have enough money.
6. The turnover rate is far too high. Six people can leave within half a year, making it impossible to hand over work properly. Everyone keeps making mistakes and shifting the blame.
None of the above is a conspiracy. No one would spend time meaninglessly saying these things.
These are all things that really happened!!
If the company had followed the Labor Standards Act, who would lie and say they did not receive a certificate of involuntary termination? The Labor Bureau could find out with one investigation.
If the company offered good pay, who would resign from a well-paid environment? It is simply because the company did not pay reasonable wages!
If the company had a future, who would leave after working there and waste their time? It is because you do not pay year-end bonuses and even dismiss employees who helped build the company over ten years. If people who have worked there for ten years can still be dismissed, who would dare stay? Where is the security?
Honestly, the boss only wants employees who flatter them and spend all day doing nothing.
The kind who curry favor and say nice things—their ability is not the important thing.
As long as you are good at flattering the boss and good at pretending to be obedient and compliant, working here is OK.
All you need is for upper management to like you; ability is unnecessary.
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The way the salary is paid is a bit unusual
Punctual working hours
The sales unit offers a base salary and high commissions
The administrative unit has a regular routine
The company is undergoing transformation, so there is plenty of room to make an impact
The atmosphere varies from department to department
However, if you come here without knowing what you want to do and simply go with the flow, your life as a new employee will be extremely difficult
You finish work on time, and routine overtime is not something you will encounter here.
The company is very willing to proactively give employees opportunities to demonstrate their abilities. Ambitious people will have many opportunities to learn and plenty of room for development here.
The owners are complementary. The owner is more direct, while the owner’s wife is good at reading people’s reactions. However, they are both straightforward and genuine, without any ulterior motives or beating around the bush, so they also speak relatively directly. Their tempers flare quickly but subside just as quickly. Although the owner has a relatively direct personality, he is a leader who takes the lead in moving forward. When the company performs well, there are many rewards; even when the economy is poor and business performance is down, salaries have never been paid late.
Some people say the turnover rate is high, but this depends on how well each person adapts to pressure and teamwork. It is natural for the weaker performers to be weeded out and the stronger ones retained. After all, this is not a retirement home. If we cannot meet the requirements, the company does not need to ask us to leave—we would feel embarrassed staying on our own.
Older employees have a relatively high degree of autonomy, and the owner does not interfere much in matters between departments. New employees must learn to survive independently as soon as they join, because no one has the time to teach you step by step how to do things. You must find your own way of working.
1. You can get to know new colleagues every month~
2. The company filters out those troublesome people who have their own ideas and are overly self-centered!
3. What we need are good employees who work hard, follow their superiors’ instructions, and bring in big profits; those who can’t make money should reflect on their own lack of ability and inability to bring out the great effects of their superiors’ decisions.
The company is too perfect, which can make people feel repelled.
Employees are easy to get along with
The boss is absolutely wonderful
The boss and the boss's wife can come into the company early in the morning and start arguing
They argue loudly and even throw things
(It happens every day)
The important thing at work is being obedient and flattering the boss
Work ability is not very important
Once you offend the boss or attract the boss's attention
Your days will become difficult
They will make things difficult for you in all sorts of ways and may even deduct your pay under improper pretexts
You basically can’t get any bonuses
You work extremely hard, but you still don’t measure up to the boss’s favorites, who lounge around and slack off all day
They take nearly half a month off each month, yet their salary plus bonuses are twice yours
If you apply for a product repair position, it’s even worse
You have to deal with a whole pile of miscellaneous tasks
The boss will also ask you to accomplish idealized things that are unrealistic
The repairs never get finished because there are always problems
You also have to act as technical customer service, pacify customers, clean up the e-commerce team’s messes
And then repair products—the work is never-ending
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Labor Law Violation Inquiry System https://announcement.mol.gov.tw
府授勞動字 第1070317878號
Violation: Article 21, Paragraph 1 of the Labor Standards Act — wages below the minimum wage
After I left the company, it underpaid my wages for various reasons. Calculated as an hourly wage, it was even lower than the minimum wage required by law.
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This company also goes by the name "裕豐行." It requires employees to conduct inventory counts every three months, using Saturdays off, without paying any wages. Office employees take turns staying after work until 18:00 to wait for the freight carrier to pick up goods; some have had to wait as late as 8:30 p.m., also without receiving any pay. On the very first day, new employees are required to fill out a "voluntary resignation form" and other related documents. It is a very unscrupulous company.